New Podcast Series : Leading with Foresight June O’Sullivan on Foresight, Empathy and Lasting Impact

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In the first episode of a new podcast series Leading with Foresight, June O’Sullivan sits down with Martin Raymond to explore empathy, foresight and the power of playing the long game. 

In a world obsessed with speed, short-termism and disruption, June O’Sullivan MBE, OBE and CEO of the London Early Years Foundation, prefers to play the long game. She speaks with The Future Laboratory’s co-founder Martin Raymond in his new podcast series on strategic foresight leadership and the role it plays in long-term decision-making.  

For her, the long game works to ‘a 10-year rule’ timeline (see our Foresight Masterclass Series 2: Module 6 for more), one that allows her to drive significant change by working with her 900-strong team in an incremental, intimate ‘shoulder-to-shoulder’ manner. This means ‘walking alongside them and being empathic so that all are seeing the same horizon line, following the same vision, ticking off the same goals and encountering the same obstacles or successes at the same time’.  

This encourages each of her team to ‘walk in the shoes of others’ – their fellow team members, the nursery age children in their care, even their parents and the wider community they service and live within. Having such insight and awareness, says June, is vital to how future decisions are made and how easily they can be introduced.  

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1 August 2025

Author: Martin Raymond

Image: The Future Laboratory, UK

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But so too is having an equally intimate and hands-on experience of the field you have been asked to oversee and manage, she believes. This is why she is wary of the ‘parachute-CEO’: ‘There is little empathy here, little actual knowledge and less understanding of could be, based on what they know about what has gone before.’ 

She and her team now manage 40 nurseries, host 4,000 children annually, fund a third of the places available and run outreach programmes on nutrition, wellbeing and helping parents get back to work after long spells of unemployment; 77% of their nurseries operate in the most deprived areas of the capital. 

All of this, she says, comes from taking a grassroots approach, having a long-term strategy and making the language of engagement and future impact as simple and as transparent as possible.  

The Early Years Chef Academy and the London Institute of Early Years took 10 years each to realise and she spends time ‘wading through ideas’ until the spark of clarity arrives.  

Plans can get waylaid and ideas skewed, but taking an ‘always on’ approach and embracing an ‘always live’ outlook means that you update your thinking and modify your strategy without having to alter your long-term vision – and why it is you’ve set out on the journey in the first place.  

This, she says, doesn’t just make us better leaders, it makes us better future ancestors.  

Tune in to the podcast on Audioboom, Spotify, Apple

 

Want to lead with foresight?

Explore the tools, techniques and strategic foresight leadership learnings in the following modules in our Masterclass series, Module 9, Foresight Leadership Techniques and our Masterclass Series 2, Module 6, Long View Thinking. 



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